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2/27/2013 11:31:00 AM
Letters to the editor: Factually inaccurate statements unacceptable in debate on gay marriage





Response to “Illinois Senate urged to reject same sex ‘marriage:’”
Fr. Gardner recently warned that the marriage equality law now being considered in the Illinois legislature would be “disastrous.” The reasoning here (I use the term generously) rests on the assumption that, if given the chance, the practice of “homosexualism” is likely to become more frequent, leading to more childless marriages, thus lowering the already declining fertility rate in the U.S.
Fr. Gardner’s intentions are surely good, but he clearly has a tenuous grasp of the facts. All available evidence indicates that homosexuality has been present in all human societies, at all times, and in all places. It is in fact “natural.” Some societies approve of it, and it occurs openly. Some do not approve, and it happens discretely. But it does seem to be an indisputable fact of human life. Further, the rate of exclusive homosexuality, that is, individuals who wish to partner with only the same sex, seems to be consistent over time and across societies, at about 1-2 percent of the general population. In other words, homosexuality does not spread. It does not become more frequent or less frequent, just more visible or less visible. This also means that extending marriage to our gay friends and neighbors would have virtually no negative impact on the overall fertility rate. In fact, we could very well see a slight increase in childbearing as gay married couples seek to establish families using surrogate mothers. Fr. Gardner’s suggestion that in vitro fertilization and surrogate motherhood are expensive is true. But what of it? Public medical plans do not cover these procedures, so there would be no cost “passed on to the general public.” There is no economic or demographic or political case against gay marriage.
The only honest argument against gay marriage is the moral one, the one that rests on its so-called “repulsive” qualities, and its supposed offense against God. That is fine. But using factually inaccurate statements to support what should be solely a moral argument reeks of desperation. If you believe homosexuality is morally wrong and sinful and icky, then you should have the courage to stand your ground on those terms. And given the tidal wave of changing public opinion, that ground is increasingly shaky. I get the feeling that opponents of marriage equality are quickly realizing this.
Jared Olesen, Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences
Illinois Valley Community College










Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Kepha

I'll come with you on science but will blissfully be 'left behind' on morals.

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Kepha

I do not hate homosexuals. I merely say that marriage is one man and one woman. But...

this is where we're heading: disagreement will be labeled hatred, teaching and believing traditional Judaism, Islam or Christianity will be punishable by law. The tolerance crowd are hypocrites. They can only tolerate those who agree with them.



Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: ronwood61

Kepha, you obviously hate homosexuals or you have a very poor way of showing your "love". You state you believe in "thousands of years" of tradition, etc., as if those years were correct. Those are the same years that believed the sun revolved around our flat earth. Do you also believe that? We hopefully are continuing our evolution mentally, please do not be left behind.

Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: METALWORKER

Rock
You my answers to your question. O. K. I'll try, but to do so with out a bit of bloviating a bit will not be possible so here goes.
When I was a young boy I was schooled by priests and nuns , Catholics.
I was told that if I played with the non Catholic kids in my hood I would spend eternity in Hell. Never see God.
As I grew, got older, I got in more trouble as you might expect. I loved to read and read everything I could get my hands on. I was soon to find out that all reading mtr. was not equal as all movies were not. quite a few were banned and a rating system was printed weekly in the Catholic Post.
I learned that if I read certain books or watched certain movies why that to would earn a quick trip to hell. To look at a girl or woman in a way I was not quite sure was or why that was, same thing, hell bound. Not much would not send you there.
Atonement like kneeling on dried beans or peas if done long enough might help. Problem is, I was sure to repeat the same things within a week or so. Curiosity and a quest for knowledge was not an admirable trait..
It gets worse. I got older and girls looked better and better and I knew if I looked and went WOW! it was all over. No coming back, The dark angle was just around the corner waiting for me to say or do something.
I joined the military and I was invited to spend a week end with a Southern Baptist family. Boy I wanted to go. A home cooked meal and a soft bed. Thing was I had to attend Sun. service, scared I was. I sure did not want to go to hell and my chances of dieing were growing stronger, Bottom line, I asked the base Chaplin, he said go, enjoy, make some friends, follow Christ's message.
That was the start of relearning what God was all about.
I learned that He sent His Son, which was Himself to man in the form of man to teach a message.
His followers even while living with him did not get it . They asked Him what the greatest commandment was. He answered this, paraphrasing here as I was not there, Love thy God with thy whole heart, and mind and self. Put no one before God. He said secondly Love thy neighbor as thyself. He did, said that, it is said and I believe that is a fact.
That said I am still unlearning a half a life time of wrong teachings.
Do I believe that there are mortal sins that can condemn us to hell. Yes. Doing anything with true pure love is not one .
Murder in all forms is. I believe. Seeing a hungry child or even knowing of one and not giving them food, yes. Denying a sick person med. care and money to help them, yes, a bad one.
The worst of sins , for me, might be hate. Yes, one can hurt another with hate but never with love.
You see, for me, all those books and rules and such were written by men who like me never met Christ. Most of those rules were written to serve the writers own propose .
I do believe that. I ain't got this down pat yet. Working on it, trying real hard and time grows short and will soon find out. They say with age come some certainty. they are wrong.. Doubt grows stronger as years pass. So much to learn, so much to unlearn.
Hope this answers your question.


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Kepha

MW, I would be interested in your answers to my questions.

RW, I agree with thousands of years of tradition based on scripture, natural law, and common sense. Only in the last generation or two has sexual license trumped this tradition. Play the hate card if you like but there is none of that in my heart.



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